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11-01-2009
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Wii: Killing video games?
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Trying to stop the Spam in another thread where the statement came up... "The Wii is the cancer killing the games market. With all their releases of shitty rehashes and shovelware doing so well." Is the Wii really killing the Video Game market? Will Nintendo cause another crash equal (Or not) to the one of 1983 with their continual release of mostly below-average games? Discuss. 
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#2
11-01-2009
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I think video games are dying just fine without the Wii. If anything, the Wii is just adapting to a new market. Video games are changing to meet the tastes of a new generation and us old gamers are being left in the dust.
I'm a pretty big Nintendo fan, but I must say I am disappointed with the Wii. There have only been a hand full of good games and I don't really care for the controls. The only saving grace it has is complete backwards compatibility with the Gamecube and Virtual Console. That being said, it is still my favorite of the three. The 360 really hasn't impressed me with much of anything and there aren't enough games to warrant the PS3's expensive price tag. Overall I say its a pretty bad time for video games.
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#3
11-01-2009
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Maybe Killing it, is too strong of a word.
But it's making video games progessively worse and showing games designers that they needn't bother, because what's the point of making a new creative game when Imagine Game#23457 or a Mario rehash is doing better in sales?
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#4
11-01-2009
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Nah. It's poor, casually-slanted design that's killing video games, not the console.
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#5
11-01-2009
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PS3 and 360 has just as much crap released as Wii.
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#7
11-02-2009
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I agree that the Wii is lacking a large amount of really good content with their games (not that their aren't any, but as a whole...), but I still love the console and most of the games I've bought. I certainly wouldn't blame a worldwide decline in video game quality on a single console.
On the topic of the Wii remote and its controls, I actually really like them. I've never had a problem with them. In any case, I'd take it over the Gamecube controller anyday. Last edited by Ohara; 11-02-2009 at 01:00 AM.
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#8
11-02-2009
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I don't think the Wii is killing the gaming industry, more or less, it's trying to broaden it. Nintendo wants to expands the audience of gaming to everyone. Personally, I am just fine with this. Why? Look at Jack Thompson and his huge protest against video games. Video games of the past give activists like him a lot of dirt and influence to start a campaign like his. The Wii seems to lessen that influence on the gaming industry so it isn't just seen as some 16 year old geeks with bad acne and a thread of a social life in their basements talking in 1337. If the Wii can change the general opinions of what video games are, but still keep the long-time Nintendo fan boys at bay, I'm for it. Also, it's not like the Wii will completely change Sony and Microsoft's strategy. Think of how much money the hardcore audience is willing to pay compared to the softcore audience for games. I rest my case.
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#9
11-02-2009
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I don't think so. The Gaming Community has survived worse consoles.
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#11
11-06-2009
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At the end of the day the Wii is the most sucessful of the 7th gen because of the new style of gaming. Plus if it was the bad why are sony trying to copy the wii by developing the motion sensor idea to their ps3 console.
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#12
11-06-2009
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Statement: PEOPLE LIKE THE CONSOLE. However, In previous collapses of video games such as the Atari 2600 collapse. The Atari wasn't a bad console. It was brilliant. Extremilly fun. What caused Video gaming to collapse that time? ET. Bad port of Pacman. Statement: GAMES CAUSE THE COLLAPSE OF THE VIDEO GAMING MARKET So with the Wii video games which are criticized excessivly, over and over and continually gets low reviews from fans and critics alike. THe Wii can yet cause a video game crash if it continues to create bad games. This of course is not a definite but a possibility.
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#13
11-06-2009
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Surely the PS3, Xbox360 and the PC are enough to offset the apparent destructive capabilities of the Wii?
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#14
11-06-2009
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If it DOES happen (Not saying it will) It CAN be down to the fact of developers stopping to care on one console.
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#16
11-06-2009
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Unless fanbases for Coleco/intellivision were equally large back then, in that case, BURN THE WII'S!
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#18
12-10-2009
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If there's gonna be a crash, I'd personally blame all the crappy movie tie-ins. Regardless of the console, the gaming market on the whole suffers from this disease.
There are some exceptions - like the Lego games, they're pretty awesome. But when you have things like Avatar, Iron Man, Disney's Up and Madagascar (which are - or are going to be - pretty enjoyable movies) turned into half-assed shitty games on every console under the sun... see what I mean? Then, there's all those crappy rip off games that no-one gives a crap about. Edbat was right - someone makes something innovative, and everyone else copies it, and copies it, and copies it. And the copies of copies of copies are just complete turd. If anything can save us, I'd wager it'll be Valve with Half Life 2: Episode 3... or even Half Life 3. I reckon Valve are waiting, biding their time until the game market collapses before releasing it, and single-handedly bringing the market back up. Last edited by JesusRocks; 12-10-2009 at 09:33 AM.
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#19
12-10-2009
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I personally don't think that any console alone is killing video games. Each console is contributing a little bit to the decline of the video game market. The PS3 is basically just the console equivalent of buying a Radio CD player when you already have both. You don't need it, it's just a little more convienient. Not much, since you can't use both at the same time, plus competition adds to family stress. Xbox 360...4 words: Red Ring of Death. Yeah, I know that it's starting to fall off the radar...but still. Now, on to Nintendo's problems. There are two main issues with the Wii: 1)Nintendo has to include motion control in almost EVERY STINKING GAME, and 2)about 90% of games for the Wii are party games, and another 7% are either Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or another famous, being-sucked-dry series. 2% are those games that just suck completely, which leaves only 1% of games that are truly good, fresh games. PC games are another story, and they are one of the few things keeping the video game industry alive.
Last edited by supergub; 12-26-2009 at 10:11 PM.
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#20
12-26-2009
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I would say it's this identity crisis of what constitutes a "gamer" that has turned the "hardcore" industry into this insular giant that refuses to acknowledge the existence of people who have zero interest in headshots, cutscenes, rag doll physics or whether Nolan North voices the protagonist, and furthermore assumes that everyone who doesn't care about these things must be a thirty-something housewife playing Bejewelled after dropping the kids off at soccer practice or an eight-year old girl who loves ponies and might therefore enjoy a game about them. The industry as we know it might collapse into a black hole due to the density of its own self-absorption, and I say good riddance; when the technology to create games becomes more widely available to the creative general public, the innovation rate will skyrocket, and the industry will return better than ever. It happened with the printing press, it happened with consumer-level video cameras, it's happening with video/audio-editing computer software, and it's happening with video games. I think a swift collapse would be healthier, actually, than a long, agonizing sink into the mire.
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#21
12-26-2009
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Why, there's never been worse games than on the wii!
 
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#22
12-26-2009
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Consoles do not kill gaming. Developers do.
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#24
12-26-2009
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This is so true. The "console war" is what's driving console gaming off a cliff. Not the games, not the features, just the rivalries between companies and fanboys. *shudders*...fanboys...eurrgghh...
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#25
12-27-2009
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games in general are dieing, a weak economy combined with outrageous game prices isnt helping. the wii is a good system to some people, but they are doing what nintendo always does, make a new system and throw mario games at you over and over... i happen to like playstation and microsoft (i can hear the world ending) and until the Gamecube i was a nintendo fan aswell... the games are just being recycled over and over on all consoles (hell look at the movie business Hollywood ws just renamed remake city).. people should stop fanboying on a certain console and except that not everyone agrees on everything.. it would be nice if the game developers would just sit down and write a well thought out story thats original instead of taking characters from past games and throwing them into a sequal just because the first one sold MILLIONS.
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#26
12-27-2009
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It's becoming more apparent that fanboyism DIRECTLY stems from only being able to afford only one console. Console fanboys would cease to exist if there was a single platform, or if everyone had a Wii, 360, PS3 and gaming computer in their household. The few who do in fact own all four are generally very content and can't understand what all the fuss is about (although most of them will at some point make some kind of crack about sweeping the cobwebs off their Wii, but if you're the sort of person who has three gaming consoles, you're probably more inclined towards "hardcore" games anyway).
It even reaches back to one's childhood, when parents were unlikely to buy their kids more than one console. So the kids would take the battle to the schoolyard and fight over which was better, Sonic or Mario, because everyone either had a Nintendo or Sega console in their home. If you don't have a choice and can't have it all, you get defensive about the system you ended up with, even if it's the one you got for Christmas when you were twelve. Since the solution is of course to "have more money", no wonder fanboyism is such a persistent disease.
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#27
12-27-2009
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I understand the reason for flagship characters like Mario and Sonic, but there is no reason why the majority of games can't be multi-platform. In fact, many gaming companies make only games. They do not need to be affiliated with any one console, so even if the company has a flagship character, the games associated with it could still be multi-platform.
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#28
12-27-2009
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Good point. I'm sure there's some thorny economic reason why it doesn't happen more often. Wikipedia has a wee bit to say on the subject:
The characteristics of a particular system may lengthen the time taken to implement a video game across multiple platforms. So, a video game may initially be released on a few platforms and then later released on remaining platforms. Typically, this situation occurs when a new gaming system is released, because video game developers need to acquaint themselves with the hardware and software associated with the new console. Some games may not become cross-platform because of licensing agreements between developers and video game console manufacturers that limit development of a game to one particular console. As an example, Disney could create a game with the intention of release on the latest Nintendo and Sony game consoles. Should Disney license the game with Sony first, Disney may in exchange be required to release the game solely on Sony’s console for a short time or indefinitely — effectively prohibiting a cross-platform release for the duration. So releasing on multiple platforms takes time and energy, both of which take money. And anything with the word "licensing" in it is bound to be tricky. I also imagine the Wii has completely skewered the equation as well, since I don't imagine it would be able to handle something of Uncharted or Bioshock production quality. I really have no idea what I'm talking about since we're getting into technical stuff, but it's just one of the many reasons why games seem so segregated: It takes so much talent and resources to make a video game that there are far fewer risks taken than with other media. I can sit down and write a novel by myself on my computer about the adventures of a time-traveling fridge repairman in space, in the form of three thousand interconnected haiku, and the only resources I spend are my own time and energy. A movie takes slightly more resources, and the industry reflects that: Hollywood is old and expansive enough that it can afford the occasional art-house innovation, but the vast majority is still poop. It would seem that the greater the role of technology in a storytelling medium, the less access there is to the quirky individual who is more likely to make a really interesting product, as opposed to the tech-savvy committee of geniuses who thought "Dante's Inferno" was an awesome idea.
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#29
12-27-2009
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This is the only thing I'll probably post in this thread... I hope.
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People who say the wii is crap, childish, or whatever is being very biased. However it is true that when there is a game available for all current gen systems (minus hand held systems) the wii, more often than not, gets a crappy port. The Wii is definitely over looked and underrated. It's a definite shame.
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#30
01-02-2010
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we have to look at the Wii for what it is: A family console.
It has games that REAL gamers probably won't enjoy, it targets adults and young children. But I personally hate the Wii. You play it by throwing your arms around like a maniac, and thats why I don't have one.
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